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by lisa
(ambarvale nsw australia)

Exoticatz Bengals

Hi, we are Aussie breeders of Bengals, we also take in surrendered bengals or bengals in shelters and rehabilitate them and place them in homes. Thought you could add us to your Bengal rescue link...Thanks

www.exoticatzbengals.com

Hi Lisa: I have added to your submission and left it here because this page will be found by Google and seen better. Also it is on the Bengal Cat Rescue Page so people will see it. Thanks for the submission. I also added a link and a photo; hope that is OK....Oh, and I hope you don't mind me quoting you below. It's the best way for accuracy...Michael (PoC Admin)

Here's a bit more from me about Exoticatz Bengals:

This is a small cattery located in the Macarthur region, NSW, Australia. It is run by Lisa Murchie. Lisa says,

"Our cats are our pets and breeding is a hobby done for the love of it definitely not for the money. All our cats are housed in clean, hygienic accommodation, giving them space to run and play but protecting them from the elements . Our girls and kittens remain indoors whilst our boys have separate comfortable outdoor accommodation."

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Nov 20, 2009
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by: Jane

From this post below, I gather you have hacked into this site and are trying to tracking peoples IP addresses which I find a complete invasion of privacy and abit weird of you =/

I also have to wonder why cat breeders would go to such an effort to do such an invading act or even obtain the soft wear to do so?

When you do these things remember it can be done on you, even if you have hidden your IP addresses now it is still tracable from previous emails and hiding your IP address is not fool proof anyway, thats how police track the "sicko's."

But as you would know by trying to trace IP's, it will not give an exact location though good enough to put two and two together but many thanks for the tips.

So "yes" to all that are reading this please look into it carelfully before making an opinion......Especially look into the one star postings and their origin.

Nov 13, 2009
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re IP addys & html info
by: Yelenayelonina Wavlukulovanic

Hi Bobby,
When there's the possibility of identity theft & fraud, it's always a good idea to check with an IT specialist or even just someone who knows about computers.
If you do this & follow their advice, you'll find through following step-by-step instructions that you'll be able to bring up all the info that is embedded in a computer page or website.
If you are able to do this, you'll find that your name is not Bobby but Jane.
Hope this helps.

Nov 11, 2009
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How to........
by: BOBBY Koslowe

I just came across this site.
How do I find the IP address, I can not see them?
Thank you.

Nov 02, 2009
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IP adresses
by: Anonymous

For anyone who happens to view this page, please check the IP addresses to see who has actually authored which posts & then assess their credibility likewise in order to make informed decisions.

Oct 29, 2009
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Unethical Breeers
by: Janet Erwin

Would the breeder that posted this please contact me privately at kattitudebengal@yahoo.com.

Oct 03, 2009
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BUYER BEWARE
by: Anonymous

BUYER BEWARE

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Sherlean Hunter

HUNTERSRIDGE BENGALS (Florida USA)

Oct 28, 2009
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Abit more
by: Jane

Notice this Alison and Hayja.......

We sign off our names, we do not hide behind ANONYMOUS with the hope things could be unclear as to whether it is truly us or not.

You know you have done the wrong thing as far as your positions goes and that's why you do hide behind ANONYMOUS, The 1st posting on "breeder bashing" was by you I have not doubt, you have now gone and signed off on the below posting in your names because you know those outright lies about complaints could really get you in trouble.

Everyone who is reading this, this is how much our TIBCS SrVic president and our dispute resolution ctr people act. In my opinion they actually make up lies, say there has been complaints when there has never ever been any such thing, I call for them to be removed from their positions ASAP.

Oct 28, 2009
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ALISON DRIVER from RUNAMOK BENGALS IS CLUTCHING AT STRAWS
by: LISA

Alison I find the fact that you continue to post lies publically absolutely ludicrous.I hope everyone is getting a really good perspective on the type of person you trully are.
You are way out of line and way off base add to the fact you don't read the posts properly and your replying is unsubstantiated mere assumption from the filthy way your own mind works.
What sort of sick person would start a forum to bad mouth themselves, is that what you are saying that I wrote the posts on this site? Come on!!
I said I had no idea of this forum/posts until a couple of days ago,that is TRUE!
You promotoe yourself as a knowledgable ethical breeder.I can see your wonderful ethics(yes thats tongue in cheek), you really do take the moral high ground(again tongue in cheek), come on do you really have yourself convinced that you are right?
Why is such a viscious rumor mungering woman in any sort of position were she abuses that privelege.
I hope the TIBCS commitee sees this site and sees you for what we all already know you as.As to your accusations that Jane,Helen and myself are writing posts pretending to be others, wake up!
One of the posts is from one of your buyers are you that retarded.
Go back to acting lessons and get some more you really need them to at least act as though you have a life and ethics and a brain!

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Oct 28, 2009
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Alison I find the fact that you continue to post lies publically absolutely ludicrous.I hope everyone is getting a really good perspective on the type of person you trully are. You are way out of line and way off base add to the fact you don't read the posts properly and your replying is unsubstantiated mere assumption from the filthy way your own mind works. What sort of sick person would start a forum to bad mouth themselves, is that what you are saying that I wrote the posts on this site? Come on!! I said I had no idea of this forum/posts until a couple of days ago,that is TRUE! You promotoe yourself as a knowledgable ethical breeder.I can see your wonderful ethics(yes thats tongue in cheek), you really do take the moral high ground(again tongue in cheek), come on do you really have yourself convinced that you are right? Why is such a viscious rumor mungering woman in any sort of position were she abuses that privelege. I hope the TIBCS commitee sees this site and sees you for what we all already know you as.As to your accusations that Jane,Helen and myself are writing posts pretending to be others, wake up! One of the posts is from one of your buyers are you that retarded. Go back to acting lessons and get some more you really need them to at least act as though you have a life and ethics and a brain!

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Oct 28, 2009
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Bashing other breeders
by: Jane

Alison Driver, You did post that posting on "Bashing other breeders" and I have made a complaint, the facts are, Yes, I too have acted out and called you a B#@!% on this site but I am not in a trusted position with the TIBCS, I am not representing our Bengals world wide, I am not the person people go to when they wish to resolve a problem with another breeder, You and Hajya are and thats what is so concerning.

As for the postings, are you serious, people have had concerns for a long time here in Australia about you and Hayja and your catteries, just no-one could ever speak about them because they would be kicked out of other places/groups and you would gang up on them with your tribe of B@#%&*@.
If it all boils down to it, we can find out what postings are from where and I am sure we would fine you behind most of the 1 star ones, even the postings about Lisa's Cats and the other catttery, they have been clearly copied and pasted from her website at the time and put here with the quick comment to follow, "how Lisa always has something to take the spotlight off herself and put it on someone else," all this has been set out by you and Hayja I have no second thoughts in that.

I too will pull my membership from TIBCS if you both stay on in the positions you hold, I dont feel either of you are of sound mind to have these positions or can even be resposible to apply yourself fairly in these positions.

There is a posting here about a phone call when they first started breeding, I can tell you I had that exact same phone call when I started breeding, Megan, she rang and said in these words, "Will you help "us" destroy Lisa?"

This is how long you people have all been ganging up on her for now, years and years.
What is it, is it just her cats? Is it she can afford to Import on a yearly basis and you cant?
Is it just as simple as she's an attractive woman breeding bengals?

Who can even start to understand what is thought of in a sick mind, for the 10th time Alison and Hayja, Get a life, stop spreading lies, focus on your own cattiers, get yourselves some help, leave everyone else alone..........

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Oct 28, 2009
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Alison Driver, You did post that posting on "Bashing other breeders" and I have made a complaint, the facts are, Yes, I too have acted out and called you a B#@!% on this site but I am not in a trusted position with the TIBCS, I am not representing our Bengals world wide, I am not the person people go to when they wish to resolve a problem with another breeder, You and Hajya are and thats what is so concerning. As for the postings, are you serious, people have had concerns for a long time here in Australia about you and Hayja and your catteries, just no-one could ever speak about them because they would be kicked out of other places/groups and you would gang up on them with your tribe of B@#%&*@. If it all boils down to it, we can find out what postings are from where and I am sure we would fine you behind most of the 1 star ones, even the postings about Lisa's Cats and the other catttery, they have been clearly copied and pasted from her website at the time and put here with the quick comment to follow, "how Lisa always has something to take the spotlight off herself and put it on someone else," all this has been set out by you and Hayja I have no second thoughts in that. I too will pull my membership from TIBCS if you both stay on in the positions you hold, I dont feel either of you are of sound mind to have these positions or can even be resposible to apply yourself fairly in these positions. There is a posting here about a phone call when they first started breeding, I can tell you I had that exact same phone call when I started breeding, Megan, she rang and said in these words, "Will you help "us" destroy Lisa?" This is how long you people have all been ganging up on her for now, years and years. What is it, is it just her cats? Is it she can afford to Import on a yearly basis and you cant? Is it just as simple as she's an attractive woman breeding bengals? Who can even start to understand what is thought of in a sick mind, for the 10th time Alison and Hayja, Get a life, stop spreading lies, focus on your own cattiers, get yourselves some help, leave everyone else alone..........

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Oct 28, 2009
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Credibility
by: Alison

Actually, I didn't write that last post but speaking of who writes what..
It seems that Jane has been having conversations with herself, Lisa has been writing her own testimonials & Helen.. well, I guess is Helen.
The third party that typically jumps in "for credibility's sake" when it comes to concocted stories & says - great to ALL who have spoken up - fully aware that it's really always been Jane & Lisa under various aliases!!
So - who writes to themselves, & then replies to themselves? Who writes stories under a different name & then replies to them? Who unleashes the most extraordinary deluge of malice with the most vile possible scenarios that defy not only reason but the imagination as well?
Answers respectively: Jane, Lisa, Helen.
Lisa now claims that she has never known about this site & so the initial blurb at top of page - "Hi, we are Aussie breeders of Bengals, we also take in surrendered bengals or bengals in shelters and rehabilitate them and place them in homes. Thought you could add us to your Bengal rescue link...Thanks" - she claims was never written by her.
Considering everything, I think this is entirely possible, that it was written by one of her alter-egos or one of Jane's aliases & they forgot to share it with the rest of their "selves"
Whoa... Sick, sad & pretty unbelievable!!
And THIS is the reason why genuinely good breeders & rescuers cringe as it gives ALL these people a bad name. The animals don't deserve this nor do the public.

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Oct 28, 2009
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Actually, I didn't write that last post but speaking of who writes what.. It seems that Jane has been having conversations with herself, Lisa has been writing her own testimonials & Helen.. well, I guess is Helen. The third party that typically jumps in "for credibility's sake" when it comes to concocted stories & says - great to ALL who have spoken up - fully aware that it's really always been Jane & Lisa under various aliases!! So - who writes to themselves, & then replies to themselves? Who writes stories under a different name & then replies to them? Who unleashes the most extraordinary deluge of malice with the most vile possible scenarios that defy not only reason but the imagination as well? Answers respectively: Jane, Lisa, Helen. Lisa now claims that she has never known about this site & so the initial blurb at top of page - "Hi, we are Aussie breeders of Bengals, we also take in surrendered bengals or bengals in shelters and rehabilitate them and place them in homes. Thought you could add us to your Bengal rescue link...Thanks" - she claims was never written by her. Considering everything, I think this is entirely possible, that it was written by one of her alter-egos or one of Jane's aliases & they forgot to share it with the rest of their "selves" Whoa... Sick, sad & pretty unbelievable!! And THIS is the reason why genuinely good breeders & rescuers cringe as it gives ALL these people a bad name. The animals don't deserve this nor do the public.

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Oct 28, 2009
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Alison Driver
by: Helen

that is so funny alison, there has been no complaint against me, and if there has, then i dont know about it so obviously you do, isnt that breaching your confidentiality in your position. BRING IT ON........dont be such a coward. by the way, i wont be posting on here anymore, email me if you have a problem, although i know you wont.

Oct 27, 2009
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THIS NEEDS TO END continued
by: LISA

This is a public site,there is millions of people who can view this, not just the immediate Bengal community.Think for a minute how this is reflecting on the breed and yourselves as breeders??I do think that this forum or whatever the hell it is supposed to be should be ended, God knows how it even got here in the first place? I surely don't!I am not saying this because I am concerned about people bitching about me, breeders have bitched about me from the first day I started breeding, I don't expect it to end now.Frankly I don't care, my hide is thick, I know truth from lies and so do you.My friends, my true friends, know love and support me and that is what matters to me.Why you all attack me I honestly don't understand, I have asked myself many times and my conclusion is that a larger part of you have been misled in your views about me by others.The others I refer to I assume are just jealous or do not want me to succeed for their own advantage, I really don't know or assume to know how others minds work but that is my conclusion.It has never been explained to me either by Alison or Hayja what their issue with me is.Neither of them have ever met me,neither of them have ever owned a cat I have bred, either directly from me or through a third party and I think that says a lot,in fact I have NEVER even spoken to Hayja!I have on occasions contacted both asking to be told why but nevder recieve a response.Alison and I have personal differences, neither one of us likes the other very much but I believe that is more through a clash of personalities, differences of opinions, beliefs,behaviour and ethics than any other reason.That does not make one or the other right or wrong, it makes us different!So where does this leave everything, its now up to Michael, he can kill this now and I am sure it will begin elswhere, if it is his intention to show the ugly side of breeding within the Bengal community then he has succeeded.I am formally/publicly requesting that any images from my website, text or links to my website are removed the site.I am would prefer the bitch session was removed but I know if it is ,the bitching will continue as usual but just on different sites and on phones via e-mails etc as it has done for so long.THATS IT FROM ME! Hope you all think things over and start spending your time more constructively.If you all put as much time and effort into breeding as to perecuting me imagine the wonderful,healthy cats you could produce.Just like mine! xx Life is to short to spend it worrying about what others are or are not doing.Start living your own lives and leave everyone else to live theirs.

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Oct 27, 2009
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This is a public site,there is millions of people who can view this, not just the immediate Bengal community.Think for a minute how this is reflecting on the breed and yourselves as breeders??I do think that this forum or whatever the hell it is supposed to be should be ended, God knows how it even got here in the first place? I surely don't!I am not saying this because I am concerned about people bitching about me, breeders have bitched about me from the first day I started breeding, I don't expect it to end now.Frankly I don't care, my hide is thick, I know truth from lies and so do you.My friends, my true friends, know love and support me and that is what matters to me.Why you all attack me I honestly don't understand, I have asked myself many times and my conclusion is that a larger part of you have been misled in your views about me by others.The others I refer to I assume are just jealous or do not want me to succeed for their own advantage, I really don't know or assume to know how others minds work but that is my conclusion.It has never been explained to me either by Alison or Hayja what their issue with me is.Neither of them have ever met me,neither of them have ever owned a cat I have bred, either directly from me or through a third party and I think that says a lot,in fact I have NEVER even spoken to Hayja!I have on occasions contacted both asking to be told why but nevder recieve a response.Alison and I have personal differences, neither one of us likes the other very much but I believe that is more through a clash of personalities, differences of opinions, beliefs,behaviour and ethics than any other reason.That does not make one or the other right or wrong, it makes us different!So where does this leave everything, its now up to Michael, he can kill this now and I am sure it will begin elswhere, if it is his intention to show the ugly side of breeding within the Bengal community then he has succeeded.I am formally/publicly requesting that any images from my website, text or links to my website are removed the site.I am would prefer the bitch session was removed but I know if it is ,the bitching will continue as usual but just on different sites and on phones via e-mails etc as it has done for so long.THATS IT FROM ME! Hope you all think things over and start spending your time more constructively.If you all put as much time and effort into breeding as to perecuting me imagine the wonderful,healthy cats you could produce.Just like mine! xx Life is to short to spend it worrying about what others are or are not doing.Start living your own lives and leave everyone else to live theirs.

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Oct 27, 2009
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THIS NEEDS TO END
by: LISA

I had said I would not post further but I feel I must.I totally support Jane, Helen and others in their stance here.I can understand why tempers are getting heated, for so long there has been no where for anyone to voice their opinion against Alison Driver or Bengal Banter and there is so much that has never been said but was needed to be said.Anyone who did speak out was quickly terminated from"THE GROUP" and shunned from a large part of the Bengal breeding community.
I am all for freedom of speech and I enjoy a good debate, I think constructive cticism is a good thing.I am going to challenge you all, if you have a real problem with me, be a grown up, come to me with it and lets resolve it.I don't expect to be hearing from any of you as I don't believe any of the people who have posted below have a real unresolved issue relating directly to a cat they have purchased directly from myself.
I will say that you all are behaving like school children, I will also say that this is not the place. to be continued.....

Oct 27, 2009
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THAT IS A LIE
by: Jane

I thought I would not post here anymore but after the below from Alison Im sorry but I have too.

I HAVE NEVER EVER HAD A COMPLAINT MADE AGAINST ME WHILE I WAS BREEDING AND FOR YOU TO SAY SUCH A THING IS AN OUT RIGHT "LIE" ALISON DRIVER, YOU ARE NOTHING SHORT OF THE GUTTER TO SAY THAT AND A LYING #@%$&!

If you have made a complaint against me now for speaking out thats fine it will not affect me as I have not been breeding for 12months as you well know, so what ever.

I am a member of TIBCS because I enjoy gettting the books each quarter, though I will stand up and continue to back what I have said previously, I can not believe you are in such a position of trust at TIBCS, this is discusting and I feel it's a complete let down and obviously I am not the only one who thinks this way.

If yoy continue to say these lies about me I will take action against you Alison, I will follow through dont you doubt it.

This website has given everyone a voice as mentioned before, if you dont like what people have to say in defence of Lisa or against you why start it in the first place, I dont like you, I do like Lisa, so it is only natural I would stick up for her and not you, get use to it.

And as for where the postings on this site are coming from, I think only the owner would know have some idea on that, Alison you dont own this site though I think you would like to as you could control what is said but you dont and thats the great thing, you cant control it like in BBengal Banter, people can defend themselves.

PEOPLE LIKE YOU HIT BACK WITH LIES WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY.
You can lump it as far as I am concerned.

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Oct 27, 2009
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I thought I would not post here anymore but after the below from Alison Im sorry but I have too. I HAVE NEVER EVER HAD A COMPLAINT MADE AGAINST ME WHILE I WAS BREEDING AND FOR YOU TO SAY SUCH A THING IS AN OUT RIGHT "LIE" ALISON DRIVER, YOU ARE NOTHING SHORT OF THE GUTTER TO SAY THAT AND A LYING #@%$&! If you have made a complaint against me now for speaking out thats fine it will not affect me as I have not been breeding for 12months as you well know, so what ever. I am a member of TIBCS because I enjoy gettting the books each quarter, though I will stand up and continue to back what I have said previously, I can not believe you are in such a position of trust at TIBCS, this is discusting and I feel it's a complete let down and obviously I am not the only one who thinks this way. If yoy continue to say these lies about me I will take action against you Alison, I will follow through dont you doubt it. This website has given everyone a voice as mentioned before, if you dont like what people have to say in defence of Lisa or against you why start it in the first place, I dont like you, I do like Lisa, so it is only natural I would stick up for her and not you, get use to it. And as for where the postings on this site are coming from, I think only the owner would know have some idea on that, Alison you dont own this site though I think you would like to as you could control what is said but you dont and thats the great thing, you cant control it like in BBengal Banter, people can defend themselves. PEOPLE LIKE YOU HIT BACK WITH LIES WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING MORE TO SAY. You can lump it as far as I am concerned.

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Oct 27, 2009
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Delete or Not
by: Michael (PoC Admin)

I run this site and I could delete comments but I would rather they remained because they are part of the cat fancy. It is not always harmonious and rosy out there. This site is about all of the cat fancy not just the color of a coat and the size of a cat breed etc.. It is about the good and the bad. It is not one dimensional.

Pure opinion is not an actionable defamation. Statements that are meant to be fact and which are false and which create a negative impression could be actionable.

An allegation is a statement in which the person making it admits that it is without proof and therefore should not be actionable because it is not based on fact or meant to be fact. If in doubt play safe, please.

Please take care, keep your cool and say it fairly. If anyone has a particular problem please leave a comment and I will look at it but no promises.

Oct 27, 2009
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Bashing other breeders
by: Anonymous

You know.. if you are to use a forum such as this to bash TIBCS and TIBCS Members who have brought ethics complaints against you, you really should use more than one computer to make your posts under all those names.. Anne, Anonymous, Greg & Jane all appear to be posting from the same computer.. Lorraine from the shelter is posting from Lisa's computer...

Lisa, Jane & Helen are close partners - fighting back any way they can after having a complaint made against them. It might give you a better perspective to see just how ethical Lisa, Jane and Helen are to be posting under other names here in this merely to slander or libel another breeder.

Oct 27, 2009
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interesting
by: Sandra

How interesting it is that the person who tried to bring Lisa down is the one being brought down in flames. Together we stand and we do have a voice against the person who claims to be in such a position of power, yet she only abuses that right to be on any committee anywhere for anything to do with Bengals. Thinking she is keeping her dirty secrets hidden, they are fast becoming out in the open. I agree with Helen, thanks everyone for coming forward, it is great to see the support for such a well known and RESPECTED breeder such as Lisa.

Oct 27, 2009
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Thankyou
by: Helen

Hi Everyone, It is wonderful to see so many people standing up for what is right, and thank you for everyone coming forward. As i am sure most of you are aware, i will not stand by and allow Lisa to be bullied out of breeding, For you Alison - "Dont throw stones/pebbles cause you live in a glass house".

Oct 26, 2009
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TIBCS
by: Anne

I cant stand those two either and their ethics, what ethics?
I am going to write to TIBCS about them, I didnt know they were the dispute people, how's that work, I have had a run in with Alison of Runamok and I am sure no matter how right I was she would not help solve my problems in an unbiased way thats for sure and as for Hayja, well no need to say much there, I think we all know.
Troble with a capital T I say.
I will pull my membership if they stay on at TIBCS, its not worth it for me to be mixed up with those two.

Oct 26, 2009
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Fur trade
by: Anonymous

If she is allegedly carrying out her own Autopsies as an unliscenced vet then that would allegedly lead you to think she would have no worries in sending her cats/kittens to Hong Kong for the alleged fur trade market.
This info really should be given to the authorities as it is alarming that she houses that many cats and kittens in its self.

Oct 26, 2009
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ALISON DRIVER HAYJA and ELAINE O'NEILL so called ethical breeders
by: Anonymous

Alison keeps over 40 bengal cats,plus she also breeds persian cats,I would alledge anyone with this number of cats is a kitten farmer.There is no way that someone with this number of cats can give each animal individual attention or meet all the animals needs.Yes its true i have heard Alison does not believe in vets abilities or take her cats to the vets.I believe she gains some sort of sick thrill from doing autopsies on her own animals and watching many kittens die slowly from cleft pallets and similar as she is too scummy to take them to the vet.She also breeds a lot of cats with faults cleft paletes,flat chests, heart conditions,not to mention long haior white spots etc.I really think that someone should alert the authoritie as to how this woman houses her cats ,I have heard from others personal experiences the cats conditions are horrific,I have alsio heard that she buk ships kittens crammed into carriers toa Hong Kong buyer on a regulasr basis for use in the fur trade and I know for a fact that often kittens are registered incorrectly.Why does this supposedly intelligent,ethical breeder not est all her cats for HCM a real problem in the Bengal breed, MONEY! thats why.But of course Alison is in a place of some postion in TIBCS so we should all bow down and lick the ground she walks on, I don't think so moreover we should walk behind her with buckets of bleach to kill off the filth that she leaves in her wake!
Now To haja Almaz the woman who bought a imported stud cat from Elaine o'neill.his cat is kept in a tiny cage and locked in a crate at night so as not to annoy the neighbours, does this cat not have the right to jump and stretch or be treated humanely?Why has the cat that has produced several offspring with HCM not been tested by his owner? MONEY thats why, Hayja doesn't want to loose out and be known as having a cat with HCM well wake up everyone knows, your not gaining any respect continuing to breed from him.
Elaine O'neill who imported a cat that was intrusted to her by an overseas breeder for use in her program, when she got a big tax bill decided to sell the cat to some little known breeder without any discussion with his breeder overseas.Why did she do this MONEY!
Lets face it these three breeders don't give a toss about the welfare of their cats they want money pure and simple and they choose to get it by pumping litter after litter often out of old or unfit cats that should have been pet homed long ago.

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Oct 26, 2009
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Alison keeps over 40 bengal cats,plus she also breeds persian cats,I would alledge anyone with this number of cats is a kitten farmer.There is no way that someone with this number of cats can give each animal individual attention or meet all the animals needs.Yes its true i have heard Alison does not believe in vets abilities or take her cats to the vets.I believe she gains some sort of sick thrill from doing autopsies on her own animals and watching many kittens die slowly from cleft pallets and similar as she is too scummy to take them to the vet.She also breeds a lot of cats with faults cleft paletes,flat chests, heart conditions,not to mention long haior white spots etc.I really think that someone should alert the authoritie as to how this woman houses her cats ,I have heard from others personal experiences the cats conditions are horrific,I have alsio heard that she buk ships kittens crammed into carriers toa Hong Kong buyer on a regulasr basis for use in the fur trade and I know for a fact that often kittens are registered incorrectly.Why does this supposedly intelligent,ethical breeder not est all her cats for HCM a real problem in the Bengal breed, MONEY! thats why.But of course Alison is in a place of some postion in TIBCS so we should all bow down and lick the ground she walks on, I don't think so moreover we should walk behind her with buckets of bleach to kill off the filth that she leaves in her wake! Now To haja Almaz the woman who bought a imported stud cat from Elaine o'neill.his cat is kept in a tiny cage and locked in a crate at night so as not to annoy the neighbours, does this cat not have the right to jump and stretch or be treated humanely?Why has the cat that has produced several offspring with HCM not been tested by his owner? MONEY thats why, Hayja doesn't want to loose out and be known as having a cat with HCM well wake up everyone knows, your not gaining any respect continuing to breed from him. Elaine O'neill who imported a cat that was intrusted to her by an overseas breeder for use in her program, when she got a big tax bill decided to sell the cat to some little known breeder without any discussion with his breeder overseas.Why did she do this MONEY! Lets face it these three breeders don't give a toss about the welfare of their cats they want money pure and simple and they choose to get it by pumping litter after litter often out of old or unfit cats that should have been pet homed long ago.

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IDIOTS
by: Jane

Sorry, the below is by me (Jane).
Title should have been IDIOTS.

Oct 26, 2009
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Jane
by: Anonymous

Hi Greg,

I am guessing you are talking about my boy "Sheoak Daito Katana" when you say one of Hayja's boy's off spring tested positive to HCM. I too agree and would not breed with his father again either, the fact is he has produce an offspring with this is enough for me to say no more.

On the other note, think your poems are just lovely Alison though maybe not quite the place to share them as we are here talking cats but Greg has got it, the pebble is appearing to be abit of a boomerang in your case Lol.

Maybe you will think twice in the future before you pick up that pebble hey.

I am also shocked that TIBCS members (me included) and reps are allowing their Dispute Resolution people (Alison Driver/ Hayja Taha-Perisa) to act in such a way, and most shocking is that you Alison you are in the trusted position of Senior Vice President, I think you both should take a good long look at what you are doing and what you have been saying about Lisa and others and maybe consider standing down.

You do not remain unbiased to be in these positions of trust.

Oct 26, 2009
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greg
by: Anonymous

Well done everyone, it would be great if more people had the strenght to come forward about Alison and her Runamok catttery, she writes here about pebbles, I guess she has no joy in throwing that pabble anymore as she is quickly learning a pebble is more like a boomerang when she throws it.

I was told by her best friend "Hayja of Almaz Bengals" that Alison dose her own Autopsies.
I have no reason to believe Hayja was lying, infact she said it is meant to be common knowledge.

Who in their right mind would cut open a baby kitten that they have loved and brought to life, this is just sick............

Who would cut open an adult cat that they have loved for years, its time to start going to the Vet Alison!

I also know Almaz Bengals, keeps her only boy in a cage 2x2mtrs square and then at night he has to be put in a dog create for the whole night to keep him quite.

Firstly, that is so unethical and it's really just crule.

Secondly, his breeder knows all about it and lets him live like that, what the?

Thirdly, there is still intension to breed with him even though one of his off spring tested positive for HCM.

Oct 26, 2009
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Exoticatz Bengals is a genuinly helping Bengals inneed of homes
by: Lorraine from a Brisbane shelter

I work at a Brisbane shelter.Recently a family surrendered their beloved Bengal.I began contacting breeders of Bengals and asking for assistance in helping this cat.Lisa was a breeder who responded almost immediately with offers of help and advice.Lisa was instrumental in this boy being able to be returned to his family and Lisa has offered continuing support to the family to help the family work through and solve the cats behaviour problems.I do not know very many people who are this gracious in giving up their time for no gain to simply help others.
From the v ery little i have had to do with Lisa I believe she is genuine in her dedication to Bengal rescue.
It is a shame that such a informative website that is obviously here to help cats and cat lovers has such an off topic/thread as this.It really distracts from what this site is all about.
If someone is offering to help rehome Bengal cats that need it why would anyone who is a cat lover want to hinder that process by attacking the person and trying publicly discredit them?My advice to those of you with "alledged" complaints about Exoticatz Bengals is to go to the breeder personally and air your differences if you don't get the result you think your entiteled to then contact the relavent authories.
Its not winning any of you any points by so publicly bashing omeone on a site designed to help your beloved breed.

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I work at a Brisbane shelter.Recently a family surrendered their beloved Bengal.I began contacting breeders of Bengals and asking for assistance in helping this cat.Lisa was a breeder who responded almost immediately with offers of help and advice.Lisa was instrumental in this boy being able to be returned to his family and Lisa has offered continuing support to the family to help the family work through and solve the cats behaviour problems.I do not know very many people who are this gracious in giving up their time for no gain to simply help others. From the v ery little i have had to do with Lisa I believe she is genuine in her dedication to Bengal rescue. It is a shame that such a informative website that is obviously here to help cats and cat lovers has such an off topic/thread as this.It really distracts from what this site is all about. If someone is offering to help rehome Bengal cats that need it why would anyone who is a cat lover want to hinder that process by attacking the person and trying publicly discredit them?My advice to those of you with "alledged" complaints about Exoticatz Bengals is to go to the breeder personally and air your differences if you don't get the result you think your entiteled to then contact the relavent authories. Its not winning any of you any points by so publicly bashing omeone on a site designed to help your beloved breed.

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ALISON DRIVER RUNAMOK BENGALS
by: PHIL

I live at My Lawley I own two Bengal cats that were bred by Alison Driver,Runamok Bengals.I can no longer keep these cats and they require new permanent homes although it is very difficult to place them.The female has a heart condition and is extremely timid it will take her a long time to settle in ,the male doesn't like being held.
I have contacted Alison in regards to this b ut she has not been much assistance.Coincidently I after googling I also contacted Lisa from Exoticatz Bengals.Lisa was extremely helpful and supportive.

Oct 26, 2009
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ALSION DRIVER and everyone else who is weak
by: Helen

Lisa is the most wonderful person i have ever known. Her dedication to breeding is outstanding, and she breeds beautiful cats. She rescues bengals all the time, and rehabilitates where necessary then offers the cat to a good forever home, and it always turns out to be a perfect outcome.
I am not going to fill this space rambling on and on, but the proof is in the pudding, look at the cats Exoticatz owns and breeds, then compare to others, you will soon see why people are jealous and are trying to shut Lisa down. FOr alot of bengal breeders, it is about the sales and greed, the only motivation for putting Lisa down. you can continue to read below and see who is jealous, its real easy......
Good luck Lisa, you know we all stand beside you in the fight, your wall of support is thick and strong, nobody can break it. So just sit back and let them try. YOu cattery will survive no matter how much Alison, Elaine, Gabrielle or any others try to beat you down. You dont just survive, you succeed and that is their problem. Keep breeding those beautiful babies.

Oct 26, 2009
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ALSION DRIVER and everyone else who is weak
by: Helen

Well interesting you say that about Alisons cats being in the pound, i too had found out about that by someone who was directly involved. And isn't it funny that she was not there, thinking that nobody knew about the situation. I have also been kicked off Bengal Banter, the first time i withdrew my membership because of all the bitching that was doing on, i couldnt stand it, Alison called me, always very careful not to put in an email any evidence, but she also told me that she doesnt use vets, also advised me to keep a cat with luxating puttella in my bredding program, as according to her, she does not eliminate them from breeding, as long as the cat can still stand and mate. The second time i got banned from bengal banter was because of an email i sent to her best friend, after her best friend invited me to explain what i was thinking. so i did, and obviously Alison didnt like this, so she banned me thinking it actually meant something to me, trying to use her so called "power" to put me down. The list is endless, i could on and on for hours. The breaching of contracts, her incorrectly registering cats and yes, the way her cats are housed/looked after. i personally have never been there or purchased a cat from Alison but yet she continues to trash me for what reason - because i am friends with Lisa of course. Her jealousy is so strong that it has made her obsessed with Lisa and Lisa's cats, going as far as to attack Lisa's family also. And for what reason - jealousy. you can expect a post from Alison defending herself, as she does, always tries to blame everyone else, but i dont need to justify my self to her or to anyone else, what goes around comes around and her "image" that she thinks is so clean, is forever tarnished and continues to get worse. As mentioned Kellie, i agree, she is her own worst enemy, doing her own damage. And how pathetic is she to have to use this as an opportunity to bitch about Lisa, what a coward.

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Well interesting you say that about Alisons cats being in the pound, i too had found out about that by someone who was directly involved. And isn't it funny that she was not there, thinking that nobody knew about the situation. I have also been kicked off Bengal Banter, the first time i withdrew my membership because of all the bitching that was doing on, i couldnt stand it, Alison called me, always very careful not to put in an email any evidence, but she also told me that she doesnt use vets, also advised me to keep a cat with luxating puttella in my bredding program, as according to her, she does not eliminate them from breeding, as long as the cat can still stand and mate. The second time i got banned from bengal banter was because of an email i sent to her best friend, after her best friend invited me to explain what i was thinking. so i did, and obviously Alison didnt like this, so she banned me thinking it actually meant something to me, trying to use her so called "power" to put me down. The list is endless, i could on and on for hours. The breaching of contracts, her incorrectly registering cats and yes, the way her cats are housed/looked after. i personally have never been there or purchased a cat from Alison but yet she continues to trash me for what reason - because i am friends with Lisa of course. Her jealousy is so strong that it has made her obsessed with Lisa and Lisa's cats, going as far as to attack Lisa's family also. And for what reason - jealousy. you can expect a post from Alison defending herself, as she does, always tries to blame everyone else, but i dont need to justify my self to her or to anyone else, what goes around comes around and her "image" that she thinks is so clean, is forever tarnished and continues to get worse. As mentioned Kellie, i agree, she is her own worst enemy, doing her own damage. And how pathetic is she to have to use this as an opportunity to bitch about Lisa, what a coward.

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Oct 26, 2009
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Last post title should have been ALISON DRIVER
by: Kellie

last post was by me (KELLIE) but should have been under the title Alison Driver. sorry for any confusion

Oct 26, 2009
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Kellie
by: Anonymous

Couldn't agree with you more about Alison Driver from Runamok. 2 of her cats were recently found in a pound, unsociable and unhealthy, plus another 2 as of a couple of days ago, also need re-homing, i had the owner email me asking for help. so you see people, Alison thinks she is the best of everything, but she isn't and slowly she is digging her own grave, don't waste your breath about her, she is doing all her own damage..... HA HA,,,,,
Lisa, keep doing what you are doing, we support you and we don't need a bengal bitch group (Referring to bengal banter) to protect us, or to make us "appear" to be breeding nice bengals, because you know, that what you are breeding is true to type, health and personality. you dont need a group of "would-be-disciples" to make you your an amazing woman, Alison needs that to make her feel worthy, after all she is a washed up bad actor and needs to get a rush from somewhere..... HA HA...
Have a nice day people!

Oct 26, 2009
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Regarding Alison Driver
by: Sandra

very well said, couldnt agree more with the post previous to mine. You have our support Lisa, your cats are gorgeous and i, very much, enjoy owning a few of them and the support you have given to me.

Oct 26, 2009
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ALSION DRIVER and everyone else who is weak
by: Anonymous

oh Alison Driver, your words are so full of absolute garbage! i, just recently had a serious call and alot of emails from someone who went visit your cattery, this person was actually interested in purchasing another bengal, however, they were truly horrified after being at your place, seeing the condition your cats were kept and all the while you claim yourself to be some ethical breeder who in your eyes is the best thing here in australia. This is by far the first complaint i have received about you. you cant hide behind any bengal group, oh except of course your own Bengal group, which you ban members for whatever you feel like, it has nothing to do with the rules, but the power you are trying to gain. All the while, you are gaining nothing but a bad name and i sit here, finding it very funny that you think yourself to be a good breeder - well australia has news for you - you are back in the dark ages, and you have never purchased a cat from Lisa so your lies and untruths are completely fabricated. Oh, but we all know how much you like to gossip and cant keep anything confidential, even in your "role" that you took just to gain more sales. Have you ever been to Lisa's house - no you havent. so stop your rumour spreading, you are being very nasty. By the way, your attacks on Lisa just make her stronger, as a person and as a breeder. YOu are so jealous because Lisa breeds close to the best bengals in australia, not long haired, big boofy head things that keep popping out of your cattery. Alison - GET A LIFE, i know you are obsessed with Lisa, but maybe you should focus more on your own cats. I could say so much more but your time is coming, and i will get my chance.
As for everyone else, you are so gutless, speak to Lisa herself, instead of hiding behind your computers...... oh no, i can easily see that wont be done because you have no real gripe! Just greed.
I support Lisa and her cats 100%, i have owned several of them, i have watched her rehabilitate numerous bengals, i have been to her house several times and the cats are spoilt rotten. And trust me, its not about the money. Lisa just spent alot of money (in the thousands) on a pet bengal of hers, not a breeding cat, just a young desexed girl. I cant say much for others that i know wont do this, like Alison Driver(Runomok), she doesnt even use a vet (her words quoted to me personally), she doesnt believe vets know anything and that they cant help, along with the fact that she doesnt use antibiotics to treat anything either, so you can imagine how healthy - OR NOT- her cats are.. :-))))

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oh Alison Driver, your words are so full of absolute garbage! i, just recently had a serious call and alot of emails from someone who went visit your cattery, this person was actually interested in purchasing another bengal, however, they were truly horrified after being at your place, seeing the condition your cats were kept and all the while you claim yourself to be some ethical breeder who in your eyes is the best thing here in australia. This is by far the first complaint i have received about you. you cant hide behind any bengal group, oh except of course your own Bengal group, which you ban members for whatever you feel like, it has nothing to do with the rules, but the power you are trying to gain. All the while, you are gaining nothing but a bad name and i sit here, finding it very funny that you think yourself to be a good breeder - well australia has news for you - you are back in the dark ages, and you have never purchased a cat from Lisa so your lies and untruths are completely fabricated. Oh, but we all know how much you like to gossip and cant keep anything confidential, even in your "role" that you took just to gain more sales. Have you ever been to Lisa's house - no you havent. so stop your rumour spreading, you are being very nasty. By the way, your attacks on Lisa just make her stronger, as a person and as a breeder. YOu are so jealous because Lisa breeds close to the best bengals in australia, not long haired, big boofy head things that keep popping out of your cattery. Alison - GET A LIFE, i know you are obsessed with Lisa, but maybe you should focus more on your own cats. I could say so much more but your time is coming, and i will get my chance. As for everyone else, you are so gutless, speak to Lisa herself, instead of hiding behind your computers...... oh no, i can easily see that wont be done because you have no real gripe! Just greed. I support Lisa and her cats 100%, i have owned several of them, i have watched her rehabilitate numerous bengals, i have been to her house several times and the cats are spoilt rotten. And trust me, its not about the money. Lisa just spent alot of money (in the thousands) on a pet bengal of hers, not a breeding cat, just a young desexed girl. I cant say much for others that i know wont do this, like Alison Driver(Runomok), she doesnt even use a vet (her words quoted to me personally), she doesnt believe vets know anything and that they cant help, along with the fact that she doesnt use antibiotics to treat anything either, so you can imagine how healthy - OR NOT- her cats are.. :-))))

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MY REPLY by LISA MURCHIE
by: Anonymous

To say i was shocked when I just came across this site was an understatement.
I know there is Bengal breeders that do not like me but never ever in my wildest dreams did I think any hated me this way or that any of you were so ugly and vicious to run around slandering behind someones back . How couragous of you all to be anonomous.
I AM PROUD OF WHAT I DO AND WHO I AM AND WHEN I DO SOMETHING IM PROUD TO SAY I DID IT,I SAID IT,THIS IS ME.
I think it speak volumes that all the comments below are anonomous,your all very big and very honourable and ethical sitting behind your computer screens throwing stones.You must all have very pathetic lives to put so much time and effort into trying to destroy me.
Also thankyou for all this fuss being made about me, I take it as a compliment,because as the saying goes, "if you want a place in the sun youve got to be prepared to put up with a few blisters"
Get back to breeding,and to your families and friends and stop behaving like playground bullies.
I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
I am not going to enter into this further on this site were cowards dwell, you can all keep on doing what you do best, and its certainly not breeding bengals!
Thankyou to all my friends for your support,luv you lots
xxx

Oct 25, 2009
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I WIN
by: Anonymous

I Win

It was hard for me to carry on with my life after what you did to me
You thought you won, beat me into the ground, but there was something you didn’t see
I am stronger than all the things you did, you won the battle but I will win the war
I don’t need revenge to feel better; I’m not about settling the score
All the pain that once inhabited my heart will be gone without concern
Life is too short for you to take away everything I have struggled to earn
So do what you wish try and take me down
You will only end up looking like a clown
You are a loser there is nothing you are worth
Your existence is a pathetic waste on this earth
You will not be amongst my fears
And never again will I shed any tears
You have poisoned my life for too long
Don't worry though, you will be punished for everything you have done wrong

Oct 24, 2009
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"The Pebble & The Pond" - conclusion
by: Anonymous

Ultimately, and sadly,
we've lost the art of precious, careful selection, the musing of a smooth pebble worn by nature's time so delicately -

We used to delight in skipping that pebble............................

But -

It's just not fun anymore.

And we can't even remember the joy...

Oct 24, 2009
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"The Pebble & the Pond" - continued...
by: Anonymous

...As a child, that pebble was so precious, it symbolized our hopes & dreams..
But - As we get older, we're not so careful with the stones we choose. We hurry, impatiently, run to the river bank...we start to select less carefully & then we pick up misshapen stones & throw them carelessly at the pond, that was formerly so sacred & a place of pleasure, quietude & innocent joy... Now - we're picking up rocks with crude edges & hurling them at the water's surface.
They don't skip.
We wonder why?
We become disappointed -
but only marginally because these days we expect disappointment & we hardly care anymore..

Oct 24, 2009
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The Ripple Effect - Or - The Story of The Pebble & The Pond
by: Anonymous

It's often regarded as "the ripple effect" in popular culture, when someone does something good - or bad - & the effect flows on to others. I think there's a lot more to this metaphor; one observation is that the ripples actually become less distinct as they flow outwards & the initial disruption to the peace of the pond or lake eventually becomes negligible as nature restores order & things are as they were to begin with; another observation, or story rather, is that of the person who initially cast the stone...
A long time ago... When all was innocent in the world, a child picks up a pebble along the bank of a river, of a lake, of a quiet pond. She considers that this pebble has to be perfect in order to successfully make the journey of several skips across the surface. She takes great care in choosing the perfect stone, turns it over in her hands, rubs it musingly, considering how smooth its surface & excitedly, in childish anticipation, imagines how far it will go...

Oct 17, 2009
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Do it right - - - -
by: Joe

"Kitten farmer's" is the name I think you are looking for!

Oct 16, 2009
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Do it right.......
by: Belinda

Yes I understand what you are saying but the thing that also gets me apart from the HCM thing is the breeders with that many cats (20+) aren't they just like back yard puppy breeders like on RSPCA the other night?

I dont see how they can truly support their cats every need and have them attend the Vet when needed, wormed when needed and so on.
(Even if the Vet gave them a special price still it would be an incredible hardship to cover the costs, something has to give)

Yes these cats/kittens have their papers but so did those dogs/puppies but I dont believe it makes them ethical just because of that, thats why I will not buy interstate, I will only ever buy from a breeder to which I can visit first.

Oct 12, 2009
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Do it right
by: Anonymous

Aren't all breeders ripping us off in one why or another?
You are selling cats from parents that are not HCM tested for starters? Can you guarentee my cat will not die of HCM when you don't test?

As far as I am concerned you are all as bad as each other, you are ignoring a major problem in the Bengal breed, atleast in the Mainecoon breed 95% of breeding cats are tested, yes I understand this is a DNA test and not a ultrasound so therefore it is much cheaper and more readily available but at the same time in the best interest of the breed as you all go on with why don't you test? I understand their is someone in 90% of our states now to do this and if you do test advertise your results so we as the public know what we are look at, what have you got to hide?

I see some catteries with atleast 20 or more cats on their websites, I do not see how these breeders at $280 - $380 per cat can even afford to test if at all.

The tiny tiny few that do test haven't updated their results for a couple of years so that leaves me to believe that they have not retested.

Other's say yes they have tested but can not produce the results.

You are all selling animals that could drop dead at any time making my money and other pet owners money go down the drain, and yes we too work hard for our money not just you breeders.

Since my experience with HCM I have become aware "In memeroy of Jags" 13/5/09

You all need to realise how much money and effort really needs to go into breeding, not this half hearted stuff, the cats are wormed, vaccinated and flee free, is that what you all think breeding is about, if you are going to change these prices $600 to $1200 for a pet then get it right the first time do it right by us but most of all do it right by the cats.......
Start testing there is no excuse f you really love the breed and want the best for it and its future and not just the dollar that gets to you pocket today.

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Aren't all breeders ripping us off in one why or another? You are selling cats from parents that are not HCM tested for starters? Can you guarentee my cat will not die of HCM when you don't test? As far as I am concerned you are all as bad as each other, you are ignoring a major problem in the Bengal breed, atleast in the Mainecoon breed 95% of breeding cats are tested, yes I understand this is a DNA test and not a ultrasound so therefore it is much cheaper and more readily available but at the same time in the best interest of the breed as you all go on with why don't you test? I understand their is someone in 90% of our states now to do this and if you do test advertise your results so we as the public know what we are look at, what have you got to hide? I see some catteries with atleast 20 or more cats on their websites, I do not see how these breeders at $280 - $380 per cat can even afford to test if at all. The tiny tiny few that do test haven't updated their results for a couple of years so that leaves me to believe that they have not retested. Other's say yes they have tested but can not produce the results. You are all selling animals that could drop dead at any time making my money and other pet owners money go down the drain, and yes we too work hard for our money not just you breeders. Since my experience with HCM I have become aware "In memeroy of Jags" 13/5/09 You all need to realise how much money and effort really needs to go into breeding, not this half hearted stuff, the cats are wormed, vaccinated and flee free, is that what you all think breeding is about, if you are going to change these prices $600 to $1200 for a pet then get it right the first time do it right by us but most of all do it right by the cats....... Start testing there is no excuse f you really love the breed and want the best for it and its future and not just the dollar that gets to you pocket today.

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Often easier said than done...
by: Anonymous

Hating is a waste of time; lets then win; then; though; forgiving, is possible, perhaps; but it takes a long time. Forgeting; never - one learns from their mistakes; or hopefully anyhow. In this instance; it's to watch one's trust.... Giving it out becuase of one's assurances and a group's garauntees, as a novice or beginner often does; ends up with them hugely set back; whether it be emotionally; mentally; or finatially - hold your cards close to you; don't let them be veiwed at all untill you're good and ready for them to be shown to the world; because secrets (even if it's as simple as where you're next cat's from) - in any sort of situation; very rarely stay secrets; and they almost always get thrown back in your face.

Oct 12, 2009
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Move on........
by: Anonymous

It's time to move on, forgiveness is the key.

Oct 10, 2009
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What does any of that have to do with this?
by: Anonymous

Isn't that funny that a good number have experienced the "my way only or the highway" with Lisa; too? To be entirely honest; I know of ONE instance where Lisa's stood by her name and promise in the case of an 'accident' or 'misshap' - and multitudes where she has not. I do not in any was dispute that breeders are human; that they make mistakes; too - HOWEVER; it comes down to admitting you've made a mistake and doing what you can to rectify the mistake; not getting absolutely horribly nasty about it; go about spreading absolute bull about the people who'd given their hard earned money to get something that they simply did not get. And generally even if people start off civilly asking about how or why this had happened; and what they should do about it; every single time; it's twisted so that it wasn't Lisa's fault; when if you go back through HER history; it's happened, time and time again. I'm not saying she's not had it tough sometimes as everyone does; but often she goes out of her way to make it difficult for others; out of her way to make what should be a hobby into something sinister and unpleasant; just for the sake of some of the people you have to deal with. Yes; everyone has their friends; and yes; everyone has their opinions; but when 'friends' are considered stepping stones to better one's own standing and nothing more; that's when everything is taken by far to far. Much of the posts on this forum here have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with anything but being nasty; what does this haev to do with BBanter or Ali or Hayja or Jane or whoever else is here who keep dragging it all off of topic. This is about Lisa; one's experiences with her; whether positive; or in my case, far from being positive; she'd put the ad in saying she'd done bengal rescue; which I don't see that she has at all; but then that is my opinion - I have fact that I'd got badly burned; and I know for a fact I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE; but where all this other stuff in all these other posts is coming from; I don't get it; NONE OF IT has ANYTHING TO DO with the topic at hand; Lisa Murchie of Exoticatz bengals. It's like the person below said; whenever it comes to herself; she's quick to put herself in the spotlight; but if it goes off the rails; she's quick to point the finger on someone else. She put it on herself; let her deal with the fallout afterwards.

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Isn't that funny that a good number have experienced the "my way only or the highway" with Lisa; too? To be entirely honest; I know of ONE instance where Lisa's stood by her name and promise in the case of an 'accident' or 'misshap' - and multitudes where she has not. I do not in any was dispute that breeders are human; that they make mistakes; too - HOWEVER; it comes down to admitting you've made a mistake and doing what you can to rectify the mistake; not getting absolutely horribly nasty about it; go about spreading absolute bull about the people who'd given their hard earned money to get something that they simply did not get. And generally even if people start off civilly asking about how or why this had happened; and what they should do about it; every single time; it's twisted so that it wasn't Lisa's fault; when if you go back through HER history; it's happened, time and time again. I'm not saying she's not had it tough sometimes as everyone does; but often she goes out of her way to make it difficult for others; out of her way to make what should be a hobby into something sinister and unpleasant; just for the sake of some of the people you have to deal with. Yes; everyone has their friends; and yes; everyone has their opinions; but when 'friends' are considered stepping stones to better one's own standing and nothing more; that's when everything is taken by far to far. Much of the posts on this forum here have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with anything but being nasty; what does this haev to do with BBanter or Ali or Hayja or Jane or whoever else is here who keep dragging it all off of topic. This is about Lisa; one's experiences with her; whether positive; or in my case, far from being positive; she'd put the ad in saying she'd done bengal rescue; which I don't see that she has at all; but then that is my opinion - I have fact that I'd got badly burned; and I know for a fact I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE; but where all this other stuff in all these other posts is coming from; I don't get it; NONE OF IT has ANYTHING TO DO with the topic at hand; Lisa Murchie of Exoticatz bengals. It's like the person below said; whenever it comes to herself; she's quick to put herself in the spotlight; but if it goes off the rails; she's quick to point the finger on someone else. She put it on herself; let her deal with the fallout afterwards.

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Oct 10, 2009
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It is about people
by: Michael

I consider that the the activities of people in the cat fancy to be very much about cats. It could be argued that what we do is more about cats that what cats do because we hold the power of life and death over cats. We create cats and feed them and euthanise them. They depend upon us completely.

And if people in the cat fancy have differing points of view and argue it helps to resolve problems, which helps cats.

If it is done in public it means that it is transparent, which is always good as it opens it up.

The only rules are to say things politely and constructively no matter how mad we feel. And feeling angry is natural and not necessarily a bad thing.

That is why I don't like to "moderate" comments except when really forced to. Moderation can mean censorship and I like fairness, openness and honest discussion which airs problems for the betterment of cats.

Any problems in the cat world are people problems.

Finally, I don't care about the star system. Everyone can rate it how they like. That is their choice. I do care when someone says that this site is not about cats as it is built for cats. It is the voice of cats. It is biased towards cats because they need a voice and bias.

Oct 10, 2009
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Further
by: Anonymous

And I meant to say -
"I MEANT to say 'rescue cats' rather than 'cats'". Sorry for the confusion.
But to respond to these attacks on people who work hard at rescue, it is absolutely deplorable that those who advocate putting their own cats to sleep because they cannot find homes for them (& these very people who they are attacking spent hours, days, weeks trying to help THEM) & those who are directly responsible for cats ending up in shelters in the first place - think to vocalize themselves on a rescue page!! This is unbelievable. Not to mention the sickness which has been treated as a result of being in these shelters & which money has come out of the personal pockets of these rescuers!!
Welcome to the sleepless nights, the vet expenses, the worry, the TIME & EFFORT that is world of cat rescue... And the sickening irony that YOU berate US - when we helped & put our other priorities on hold to help these bengals in need - where you couldn't or wouldn't.
Stop the idiocy & put your energies into something useful & positive for once.

Oct 09, 2009
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To Michael:
by: Anonymous

"not about rescue cats at all" was referring to Bengal Cat RESCUE exoticatzbengals only & only this misnomer, Michael - NOT the rest of the entire "PoC" site of course which is ALL about cats, very comprehensive & almost exhaustive in its links!! Not at all a comment to denigrate your hard work.
I think this is what the star system is also commenting on? Not on the entirity of the PoC site? Just this page? This is how people have been using it - is this what you intended? I hope that no offence is taken by posters using this rating system. It is JUST a comment on the header & the topic of this page - which IS confusing to those engaged in feline rescue out here in Australia as the workload both emotionally & physically is harrowing.

Oct 09, 2009
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Yes - What do you mean girls?
by: Anonymous

Unfortunately this is just what the BBengal Banter moderators (Alison of Runamok Bengals and Hayja of Almaz Bengals) are all about.

If something is not going their way they will become quite nasty as seen in the comment below and then not respond, The saying "snakes in the grass" Im sorry to say seems to describe their underhanded actions quite well.

I must add that I agree with the person who said, "Thank you for giving us a voice, THANK YOU SO MUCH."

Wake up girls this site is full of wonderful info, pictures, video's, health issues and so much more all for our wonderful cat breeds, its just fabulous!

Maybe you need to look at this site properly girls and look at what this discussion has been about, (cats and cat breeders I would say).

You should take your own advice and respect other peoples chat area's and site's, obviously they are right when they say "if you don't see eye to eye your out."

Oct 09, 2009
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Last Comment
by: Michael

I consider the last comment a personal insult. I would be pleased if the person who made it would explain what they mean when they say:

..it's quite obvious by now that this site is not about cats at all..

Thanks in advance.

Oct 09, 2009
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really & truly...
by: Anonymous

I'm sure that this is very entertaining to all who may be reading this, & it's quite obvious by now that this site is not about cats at all, which is simply very sad.
Jane - there is absolutely no reason why everyone else can abide by chat rules & yet an exception should be made for you.
I also retain records & unless you have added to my correspondence, everything is entirely in order.
I was under the impression that everyone who has made comments on this site, knew who had made others, so there have been no "curtains" to speak of, nor to come out from under, at least not to my knowledge.
"Anon" is simply continuing de riguer.

Oct 09, 2009
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Thats Not It At All
by: Jane

You know and I know that is not it at all, I have the emails between us both at the time and they back up what I am saying, that is when they are left unedited by anyone which i am sure your side is edited to suit you best.

No surprise though that you are right here when Lisa is being attacked, no surprise at all........this just brought you out from behind the curtains of anonymous :o)

Oct 09, 2009
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BBengalbanter
by: BBModerators

Showing hostility towards a chat group & engaging in personal attacks is a reason for you not to be there Jane. This is clear in the BB rules. This does not just apply to you but everyone.
There are plenty of people who are current members who have do not see eye-to-eye. This is encouraged because different opinions result in every angle being able to be considered by those who choose to read it, which is very important, & infact is the philosophy of a chat group to begin with.. Otherwise we wouldn't have chat groups at all!
In fact, it has often been said: heated debate is fine but personal gripes are not.
The list rules on the home page are well-defined & not adhering to them is also well-defined.
This is the norm for any chat group, Jane, both in Australia & internationally.
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Oct 09, 2009
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I forgot
by: Jane

We all make mistakes but I dont think Lisa is a bad person for her mistakes.
I actually admire her for staying so strong.

Oct 09, 2009
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BBengal Banter
by: Jane

I was removed from BBengal Banter this is not allegedly but I was and questioned why, Alison of Runamok Bengals said it was because I had left breeding and it was only for current breeders.
At the time I said I thought it was a group for people who loved bengals and a place to share info, luckily there are still many other bengal groups who love all to add and share their stories.
I would agree with one of the other statements, if you don't see eye to eye you are out.

Oct 09, 2009
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I dont get it
by: Anonymous

Her contract has not been edited and was signed and dated by both parties, the cat was sold on from what I have read from Wildsyle Bengals, how is it wrong, how can this not be right?

Oct 09, 2009
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wrong
by: Anonymous

no.
re-read all the posts

Oct 08, 2009
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EXOTICATZ TAKARA SHAINE
by: Anonymous

EXOTICATZ TAKARA SHAINE'S contract has not been changed or added to, so that would mean that this contract still stands, Yes?

Oct 08, 2009
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?
by: Anonymous

I didn't think it was "gutsy" to engage in hearsay & slander - I thought it was the opposite.
I thought that when someone had wronged so many others & then played the victim card, it would be obvious.
Obviously not.

Oct 08, 2009
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It's not about stories...
by: Anonymous

It's about personal experiences; not stories. It's about truth and trust; not stories. IT's about; as a person below me said; the love or unloved cats - it's the cats that this is really about; not the people. Saying stories that 'you have heard' somewhere has nothing to do with anything; people can come up with stuff easily; people can be nasty just for the hell of it; as some people here have been at the brunt of. IT's when you have actual pesonal experience yourself; that one can speak; not in hearing something from someone else - how is one to verify the words of someone else without having been there - without concrete evidence of some sort anyhow? As the person who owns this site said; be ware of slander - saying something you've heard somewhere else in a nasty way such as much of this is nothing but that and heresay. When one has personal experience; has concrete proof; that is different; but again; there's been that many people who have had problems; many of whom do have proof, concrete, unaltered, evidence - and the people trully involved and not just being nasty for the sake of it or standing up for someone when they don't knww everything; will understand/

Oct 08, 2009
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Now you say that
by: Anonymous

Yes, now that someone has come along with the guts to speak out you talk all nice to try and prevent any nasties coming out about you but all the while Lisa is able to cop it all, its so funny how things quickly change..............

EG - What about all the other crap breeders who are letting their cats live in filth, I know a few good stories about a few of you, would you like me to start posting them, I can allegedly.

Oct 08, 2009
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A VOICE
by: Anonymous

Look I fully agree with the below person but at the same time it has given us a long over due voice, a voice that is normaly locked out of BBangle Banter where anything can be said to breeders who are good enough to be involved in the group in the first place but allegedly only good enough when they comply with the owners of the group, there is no room for looking at the world in a different way or your out.

Even ex-breeders are allegedly removed from the group so they can not be involved or be apart of what is said and to still add important info and help to new and old breeders.

We all have different expierence and tackle them in different ways, their way will not always mean the right way.

As it has been said many times, Lisa has been a target of gross abuse for a long time, this is at last giving her a chance to stand up for herself and have other people who have had a good experience with Lisa to come forward and say their piece.

Oct 08, 2009
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A rescue site?
by: Anonymous

- I thought this was what this was supposed to be!
Still awaiting tales of woe & authentic & heartfelt upset for the unfortunates in need...
Despite what we may have experienced with this breeder, we should all remember that cats only know love & lack of love.
When rescues come up - or at least I assume they will be if this is the reason for this site - let's all help to find them permanent loving homes.
In the meantime, let's please desist from recounting our personal experiences.
Mine is too painful to relive, others have genuine anger for the way they've been treated & the animals that have suffered as a consequence & seek to purge their pain, but honestly, what does airing this all achieve? Especially here, on this site.
We have those who have been hurt, we have those who have not BUT we also have those who cannot recognize the validity of the pain of others because it is too confrontational & would challenge their own faith that they put in others (& I do mean others because if you have been deceived by one person, sadly you are likely to have been deceived by others in your life.. Psychology 101.)
But for those who recount their bad experiences, WHAT is this achieving?
This will not be listened to by those who have already closed their minds.
And, if you recount your good experiences, these will be only be viewed with scepticism & raise other questions for those who have not had this experience.
In short, while this is a nice site to air one's grievances on, it is not the CORRECT site.
If you have a strong enough concern, please petition those who may be able to instigate change.
The way it stands, only the site owner & the emotions of a narcissistic sociopath (who by nature & notated in psychiatric journals, thrives on controlling others & creates scenarios whereby their apparent plausibility can only be discredited through external subjectivity) will benefit from further discussion in this forum.
Please do not feed an angry thread.
This is NOT the forum for debate.

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Oct 08, 2009
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- I thought this was what this was supposed to be! Still awaiting tales of woe & authentic & heartfelt upset for the unfortunates in need... Despite what we may have experienced with this breeder, we should all remember that cats only know love & lack of love. When rescues come up - or at least I assume they will be if this is the reason for this site - let's all help to find them permanent loving homes. In the meantime, let's please desist from recounting our personal experiences. Mine is too painful to relive, others have genuine anger for the way they've been treated & the animals that have suffered as a consequence & seek to purge their pain, but honestly, what does airing this all achieve? Especially here, on this site. We have those who have been hurt, we have those who have not BUT we also have those who cannot recognize the validity of the pain of others because it is too confrontational & would challenge their own faith that they put in others (& I do mean others because if you have been deceived by one person, sadly you are likely to have been deceived by others in your life.. Psychology 101.) But for those who recount their bad experiences, WHAT is this achieving? This will not be listened to by those who have already closed their minds. And, if you recount your good experiences, these will be only be viewed with scepticism & raise other questions for those who have not had this experience. In short, while this is a nice site to air one's grievances on, it is not the CORRECT site. If you have a strong enough concern, please petition those who may be able to instigate change. The way it stands, only the site owner & the emotions of a narcissistic sociopath (who by nature & notated in psychiatric journals, thrives on controlling others & creates scenarios whereby their apparent plausibility can only be discredited through external subjectivity) will benefit from further discussion in this forum. Please do not feed an angry thread. This is NOT the forum for debate.

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Oct 07, 2009
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I signed
by: Anonymous

When I puchased my cat from Lisa I signed a contract.

I was also able to bargin down the price of an imported breeding queen to $1,500 so I think that was a great price for a working girl at 24 months old, nothing at all wrong with that.

I have also been to her home and every thing both in the house and outside her house was so lovely and clean, I had only arranged to go the night before so it's not like she had alot of time to clean.

I think selling a queen on at just over 1yr after her first mating is ok, the girl is proven and you may get something you want to keep in that litter, why not.

Everyone knows a cat can easily reabsorb her kittens, really easilly if going on a flight to her new home too, you cant keep bitching at her because of this.

What about all the other crap breeders who are letting their cats live in filth, I know a few good stories about a few of you, would you like me to start posting them, I can allegedly.

Oct 07, 2009
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Contract
by: Anonymous

In looking at these contracts that Lisa's saying she'd had signed.... I always was under the impression that if there was any alterations to the actual contract (such as any added portions as there is in Fusion's 'contract' about not being able to be bred past 4 years); the contract was considered void unless both parties signed the added portion - as it could have very easily been added after the contract was signed? Niether party in this instance has signed the altered portion; which realistically should mean Fusion's 'contract' is invalid?

Oct 07, 2009
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Yes; I've seen that; too....
by: Anonymous

I know she's offered a good few girls at about 1 year old for sale; yes; some of which were uspposed to be pregnant; but I know of at least two seperate instances where girls that were mated; supposed to be pregnant - the girls didn't end up taking and the person was still out the extra she charged for the mating. But most of these 1 year old girls had had a litter already; too; seemed she pumped a litter out early so she could sell them as proven breeding girls and keep what she'd wanted out of that first litter; even if it meant; by simple mathematics for those that she advertised pedigree or date of birth to date of birth of kittens (and look; she'd stopped doing that recently; too; if you look; so it's harder to do the math as she realised it left her quite open) mating the girls at 8 months or earlier. And yes; no contracts; seems weird that the people I know that have gotten cats from her; too; I know of none that signed a contract around when these contracts were supposed to have taken place... Interesting that she'd make only one person sign one; and noone else? Then; yes; try to sell the cat on herself that were supposed to be under contract? I remember that ad quite well myself. Come on, people; think; open your eyes and see; the real Lisa; for what she is; the person below me labeled it very well.

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I know she's offered a good few girls at about 1 year old for sale; yes; some of which were uspposed to be pregnant; but I know of at least two seperate instances where girls that were mated; supposed to be pregnant - the girls didn't end up taking and the person was still out the extra she charged for the mating. But most of these 1 year old girls had had a litter already; too; seemed she pumped a litter out early so she could sell them as proven breeding girls and keep what she'd wanted out of that first litter; even if it meant; by simple mathematics for those that she advertised pedigree or date of birth to date of birth of kittens (and look; she'd stopped doing that recently; too; if you look; so it's harder to do the math as she realised it left her quite open) mating the girls at 8 months or earlier. And yes; no contracts; seems weird that the people I know that have gotten cats from her; too; I know of none that signed a contract around when these contracts were supposed to have taken place... Interesting that she'd make only one person sign one; and noone else? Then; yes; try to sell the cat on herself that were supposed to be under contract? I remember that ad quite well myself. Come on, people; think; open your eyes and see; the real Lisa; for what she is; the person below me labeled it very well.

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Oct 07, 2009
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Consider
by: Anonymous

The cats weren't sold on.
There were no contracts.

Oct 07, 2009
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BENGAL stud cat,proven sire
by: Anonymous

I wouldnt be putting much credence into the alleged contracts. I rang up Lisa last year when she was advertising Exoticatz Wild Fusion for sale. For a trip down memory lane heres the ad. So stop the BS about these "contracts". Viper mouth hope you meet Karma.

BENGAL stud cat,proven sire

Posted by BEN_06 (Sydney NSW Australia) on 7-Jun-08 07:24 PM AEST
To reply to this advertisement email info@exoticatzbengals.com

Beautiful golden rosetted male Bengal.
Fusion is a young boy and has already sired some incredible litters.He is hugely affectionate and just adores human companionship.
He has been lightly shown with good results.
His sire is GD CH Dazzledots Perfect Prints Imp Can
His Dam is Tigakat Vanitee
He carries the seal lynx gene from his mum.
He will only be placed in a responsible breeding home and I will be asking a lot of questions.
For photos and further details please contact Lisa
0246272833
or e-mail using the link.
thanks

Oct 07, 2009
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Oops! she did it again
by: Anonymous

Just had a look at the Exoticatz site. Another young girl "Wild Instinct" is for sale "possibly pregnant". For those of you who haven't figured it out yet this is how Lisa makes her money. She rips off new breeders who buy supposedly pregnant queens who... SUPRISE SUPRISE!!! aren't pregnant.
And as usual when there’s a problem Lisa plays the poor sweet innocent victim & blames everyone else, don’t buy her act, she’s just one nasty viper mouth.

Oct 07, 2009
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Just wondering
by: Curious

Lisa told me she recommends selling breeding cats at one year. She does it with all of hers. I bought several cats from Lisa and she never asked me to sign any contracts. Did she ask anyone else?

Oct 07, 2009
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Look beyond - - -
by: Anonymous

I dont think you all are seeing the facts here.

Lisa has said on her homepage that there could be a mix up, (The colour point DNA test performed only proved that Fusion does not carry the seal lynx gene, it was not a test to determine parentage .It is possible that Fusions dam,Tigakatt Vanitee was incorrectly registered by her breeder as a lynx when she was not.DNA samples have been collected to confirm this.)

Lisa was sold a cat too in that case that was not of the parentage she thought she was buying at the time.

When Lisa then bred Fusion from his mother (Tigakatt Vanitee) she may have not noticed as she may have not been breeding for that but the mix up has now been noticed, now that he has been past on and past on.

Lisa should be given back her money (but you dont hear her crying blue murder or slandering people), Wildstyle should be given back their money and sheoak should be given back her money aswell as return the cats to Lisa as they were not ment to be sold on, so two offences have been comitted here but yet the blame always falls to Lisa who could well be as innoccent as the next person who had the cat and the next.

I have purchased cats that have come with disease, disease from neglect (far greater crime than an accidental mix up on sperm, which I believe it would be just a mix up), also had cats test positive to early signs of HCM, I also imported a cat that when she arrived I was so disappointed in her but yet I still loved her and worked with her and she went on to produce one of my best cats,I am not screaming out I want my money back, I got on with it.

Often cats change as they get older and they might not be what you thought they would be but that is part of breeding, you are working towards something, dont buy if you think you are paying too much, go and see in person before you do, bargin for your price, we all have a mouth that we can bargin with.
If you cant go in person get a friend to, it is pretty easy.

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Oct 07, 2009
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I dont think you all are seeing the facts here. Lisa has said on her homepage that there could be a mix up, (The colour point DNA test performed only proved that Fusion does not carry the seal lynx gene, it was not a test to determine parentage .It is possible that Fusions dam,Tigakatt Vanitee was incorrectly registered by her breeder as a lynx when she was not.DNA samples have been collected to confirm this.) Lisa was sold a cat too in that case that was not of the parentage she thought she was buying at the time. When Lisa then bred Fusion from his mother (Tigakatt Vanitee) she may have not noticed as she may have not been breeding for that but the mix up has now been noticed, now that he has been past on and past on. Lisa should be given back her money (but you dont hear her crying blue murder or slandering people), Wildstyle should be given back their money and sheoak should be given back her money aswell as return the cats to Lisa as they were not ment to be sold on, so two offences have been comitted here but yet the blame always falls to Lisa who could well be as innoccent as the next person who had the cat and the next. I have purchased cats that have come with disease, disease from neglect (far greater crime than an accidental mix up on sperm, which I believe it would be just a mix up), also had cats test positive to early signs of HCM, I also imported a cat that when she arrived I was so disappointed in her but yet I still loved her and worked with her and she went on to produce one of my best cats,I am not screaming out I want my money back, I got on with it. Often cats change as they get older and they might not be what you thought they would be but that is part of breeding, you are working towards something, dont buy if you think you are paying too much, go and see in person before you do, bargin for your price, we all have a mouth that we can bargin with. If you cant go in person get a friend to, it is pretty easy.

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Oct 07, 2009
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Has nothing to do with what's imported or not//
by: Anonymous

The thing is; it's not people being bitchy for the sake of having to pay money for cats; or what Lisa brings in or doesn't; etc. etc. etc.; most of what has people so riled up here is people paying their own hard earned money to get something from Lisa; who's said this cat is that or this or of this line, and they get the cat and find out that everything she told them was lies. THAT'S why people are so arched up; has nothing to do with Lisa having this said cat or that said cat; it's the resulting purchases - people wouldn't buy from her if it wasn't for the sake she'd had this or that cat; it's when they don't get what they were told, were promised; they were getting; THAT is when people; and rightfully so, get angry.

Oct 06, 2009
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Return the cats (broken contract either way you look at it) AND THATS NOT ON
by: Anonymous

Every year every phone call, Lisa is in the topic's. When I first started breeding the Bengal cats I had a call asking will I help destroy Lisa, these words are the exact words that were used at the time and it was shocking.

This is not breeding, this is not for the making of a better breed, this is not for the love of the breed, this is greed because of how much they cost, this is jealousy because of how much it is to import, this is a bunch of nasty, nasty women who can't mind their own business and think they can strong arm others into doing what they want.

Go and read Lisa's home page and you will get her side of the story not just Sheoaks story which is obviously what has happened here.

There are much worse breeders out there who have done things so bad.

I still agree with the other person, Wildstyle Bengals aren't breeding anymore, the cats should not have been sold on to Sheoak, Sheoak needs to return the cats to Lisa and Wildstyle return Sheoaks money. It is Wildstyle's problem as she on sold them with or without the knowledge, they were her cats at the time so, therefore, her problem.

RETURN THE CATS (FOLLOW HER CONTRACT) AND STOP CRYING FOUL.

Oct 06, 2009
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Further to 'This is all Pointless'
by: Anonymous

Whether the cats were sold on or not is NOT THE ISSUE!!!!
The issue is that one of the cats Lisa bred has the wrong pedigree!!!
Nothing could be simpler to fix than this!!!

Instead we have every Tom,Dick and Harry adding whatever they want to this "debate".

If Lisa from Exotixcatz is the sort of person that many of the messages listed say she is,then surely this reputable,helpful and whatever else, would have corrected what in cat breeding must be one of the worst things that could happen!!!

Instead all that seems to have come out of it is broken contracts etc.etc.
Why cant she just come clean and take the blame!!!
If one thinks about this seriously there is only one person who will come out of all this with a very bad reputation!!!! This is silly when it all could have been resolved.

Sort it out Lisa and get back to your breeding instead of wasting all those years and knowledge.

Oct 06, 2009
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This is all so pointless - More
by: Anonymous

The cats were sold on, Lisa has openly show the contracts for both cats on her websites home page, it is clear the cats have been sold on and the terms broken, where the DNA is correct or not Lisa is not the only one who should be getting bad talk from this, I would be so angery if my cats had been sold on and the breeders knowingly did so after signing contracts to say they wouldn't, really like the contract say, these cats should be returned to Lisa ASAP as it has not been upheld.
This all started from you lot bad mouthing her and even when it is fully out in the open she is not the only one who makes mistakes you all still attack her,
I am so sorry Lisa for all you must go through to just keep breeding, after all it's a hobby, let the girl have her hobby and leave her alone, take your fustrations out on your husbands or something :o)

Oct 06, 2009
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This is all so pointless!
by: Anonymous

This debate is really a waste of time and effort.

If the RIGHT thing was done in the first place all of this 'mud slinging' could have been avoided.

Why on earth wasnt the pedigree corrected when it was found to be incorrect!!!
Anyone can make mistakes and all it would have taken was for the breeder to correct it.
Instead she decided to bring up things that were irrelevant and carry on to the point where its ridiculous.
In my opinion any breeder that truly is a breeder would want to rectify this immediately and try desperatley to keep their reputation or what is left of it intact!!!
I would like to say to Lisa of Exoticatz, do the right thing,stop bringing up the past and correct what can be corrected.
You have been breeding long enough now to know that this is not the way to go.
Kittens and cats MUST have the correct pedigree regardless of what the situtaion was and how it happened.Do the right thing,you will be much better thought of in the long run!!!

Oct 06, 2009
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Interesting...
by: Anonymous

It seems interesting how the Exoticatz breeder always seems so ready to advertise her cattery in every means possible; and yet; when people say about the bad experiences they've had with her; no matter what they are; she always changes the topic to 'look what this person's done'; even though I doubt it's all, or any of it's; true? It's just a ploy to get the point off of her. She put the highlight on herself in advertising, didn't she? "Hey; I do this, too!..." (Even though as the person below me stated; I'm not sure that it's true)... "Look at my cats too!" but when it goes off the rails a bit; she's always so quick to point everyone's attention to someone else; often when it has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the conversation at hand... Exoticatz! Not anyone else!

Oct 05, 2009
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Examples?
by: Anonymous

We also take in surrendered bengals or bengals in shelters and rehabilitate them and place them in homes.

Not the ones where purebred bengals are "rescued", bred, then sick underweight kittens are sold on & given a "pedigree".

Talk about your real rescue please if it exists, the time involved, how do you rehab them? what medications involved? successful placements?

Give us examples of your lack of exploitation of people & animals if it exists.

Otherwise this is trying to sell your own kittens by now using the words "bengal rescue" as a gimmick & a ploy.

Disgusting. If you ever rehabilitated a traumatized cat you would know that this is not something to be taken lightly & the tremendous amount of money that goes into saving a life & giving it an opportunity to thrive again...

Oct 03, 2009
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It isn't just the breeders...
by: Anonymous

And yet; it seems; "Wisen up"; that people who have bought kittens; breeders or pets; have had the same sorts of problems in this instance...?

Oct 03, 2009
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Good on you Lisa!
by: WiSE UP

WELL DONE LISA KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, We ARE ALL SO PROUD OF YOU!!
You are so right about how easy it is to make money from idiots.
Give it a rest idiots. Take the time to look at yourselves. If you are dumb enough to buy an adult breeding cat it is going to have problems. If you are stupid enough to give up a pedigree cat someone is going to make money. Lisa told you all Dumb Arses!

Oct 03, 2009
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bad woman
by: Anonymous

lisa took money, never sent cat, never refund singapore

Oct 03, 2009
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BUYER BEWARE
by: Anonymous

BUYER BEWARE

OF

Sherlean Hunter

HUNTERSRIDGE BENGALS (Florida USA)

On 22 October 2008 we deposited a large sum of money into an account with the name of Sherlean Hunter (Hunters Ridge Bengals). We since have not heard from Sherlean.

We have sent several emails to her requesting information on the cat we paid for (pictured below) but she has not, to date, replied to us.

It is apparent that Sherlean Hunter of Hunters Ridge Bengals has been and is continuing to constantly fraud people of their money by offering cats for sale and then never producing the cat. Sherlean believes that we, as international buyers cannot move to get our money back, instead she challenges that we go to Florida and file a complaint with her local court.

Upon investigation, it is clear that Sherlean has had several dealings with her local court for various financial matters. We will not be proceeding with civil court action, instead we are proceeding with criminal action.

At the present time, we have opened an international fraud enquiry and will pursue this until our money is returned in full with interest.

Thankyou to all of you out there who have contacted us with your support and to everyone that has shared their own stories with us regarding Huntersridge Bengals/Sherlean Hunter.

We will continue to post updates here until we receive a full refund.

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Oct 03, 2009
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BUYER BEWARE OF Sherlean Hunter HUNTERSRIDGE BENGALS (Florida USA) On 22 October 2008 we deposited a large sum of money into an account with the name of Sherlean Hunter (Hunters Ridge Bengals). We since have not heard from Sherlean. We have sent several emails to her requesting information on the cat we paid for (pictured below) but she has not, to date, replied to us. It is apparent that Sherlean Hunter of Hunters Ridge Bengals has been and is continuing to constantly fraud people of their money by offering cats for sale and then never producing the cat. Sherlean believes that we, as international buyers cannot move to get our money back, instead she challenges that we go to Florida and file a complaint with her local court. Upon investigation, it is clear that Sherlean has had several dealings with her local court for various financial matters. We will not be proceeding with civil court action, instead we are proceeding with criminal action. At the present time, we have opened an international fraud enquiry and will pursue this until our money is returned in full with interest. Thankyou to all of you out there who have contacted us with your support and to everyone that has shared their own stories with us regarding Huntersridge Bengals/Sherlean Hunter. We will continue to post updates here until we receive a full refund.

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**IMPORTANT INFORMATION CONCERNING SHEOAK BENGALS**
by: Anonymous

Sheoak Bengals has two cats bred by myselfcurrently active in their breeding program

EXOTICATZ WILD FUSION

EXOTICATZ TAKARA SHAINE

Both these cats were sold to Gabrielle Maitland from Wildstyle Bengals, Both are under signed contract restricting another breeder/cattery using these cats.

See below to view signed contracts

FUSION CONTRACT

TAKARA CONTRACT

These cats pedigrees have been transferred by Ms Maitland to Elaine O'neill of SHEOAK BENGALS this is in clear breach of the above contracts. I have provided Elaine O'neill with a copy of the contracts and Elaine O'neill is aware of the contract restrictions on these cats .

Elaine O'neill and Ms Maitland both refuse to comply with the above contracts even though Ms Maitland was aware of her contractual obligations and signed them at the time of purchase.

Both cats have spent considerable time in a breeding situation and are deserving of a retirement home but in particular the queen Takara is aged and has many litters in her life, already having contributed vastly to the Bengal gene pool in Australia.

**Sheoak Bengals has a statement regarding Exoticatz Wild Fusion on their website, it states that I as Fusion's breeder provided him with an incorrect pedigree, confirmed by DNA testing "this statement is untrue" and it would appear it has been placed on the website to try and discredit me .The colour point DNA test performed only proved that Fusion does not carry the seal lynx gene, it was not a test to determine parentage .It is possible that Fusions dam,Tigakatt Vanitee was incorrectly registered by her breeder as a lynx when she was not.DNA samples have been collected to confirm this. **

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Sheoak Bengals has two cats bred by myselfcurrently active in their breeding program EXOTICATZ WILD FUSION EXOTICATZ TAKARA SHAINE Both these cats were sold to Gabrielle Maitland from Wildstyle Bengals, Both are under signed contract restricting another breeder/cattery using these cats. See below to view signed contracts FUSION CONTRACT TAKARA CONTRACT These cats pedigrees have been transferred by Ms Maitland to Elaine O'neill of SHEOAK BENGALS this is in clear breach of the above contracts. I have provided Elaine O'neill with a copy of the contracts and Elaine O'neill is aware of the contract restrictions on these cats . Elaine O'neill and Ms Maitland both refuse to comply with the above contracts even though Ms Maitland was aware of her contractual obligations and signed them at the time of purchase. Both cats have spent considerable time in a breeding situation and are deserving of a retirement home but in particular the queen Takara is aged and has many litters in her life, already having contributed vastly to the Bengal gene pool in Australia. **Sheoak Bengals has a statement regarding Exoticatz Wild Fusion on their website, it states that I as Fusion's breeder provided him with an incorrect pedigree, confirmed by DNA testing "this statement is untrue" and it would appear it has been placed on the website to try and discredit me .The colour point DNA test performed only proved that Fusion does not carry the seal lynx gene, it was not a test to determine parentage .It is possible that Fusions dam,Tigakatt Vanitee was incorrectly registered by her breeder as a lynx when she was not.DNA samples have been collected to confirm this. **

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IMPORTANT NOTE
by: Michael (PoC Admin)

This is my site. I manage it. I positively love comments and submissions to the site as they are often the best material. I like honesty and openness but please beware of the laws of defamation. You don't want to end up being sued in the civil courts. I would like comments to continue in good faith but with a little less vitriol, please. If comments are to criticise (which is entirely justifiable, sometimes) please make sure that they are worded in a way that is acceptable to everyone and if possible, constructively. Thanks a lot.

P.S. One thing visitors can do is to prefix a statement by the phrase, "It is alleged..". This helps avoid making defamatory remarks.

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Sep 30, 2009
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You cant be serious - but wait theres more.....
by: Anonymous

I agree.

I would strongly suggest not buying a kitten from Runamok Bengals as her cats are over crowded, screaming out for food, in bad health, or maybe if you want to rescue a cat "yes" buy from her. I have even seen long haired Bengals on her web site, "what the."

I would not suggest buying from Almaz Bengals either, she calls herself a breeder but has only breed a handful of kittens in 4yrs, her cats call all year long to be mated and her boy lives in a small cage out the back with no attention ever given to him as she says he's feral, i wonder why ya dumb sh*t.

Sep 30, 2009
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You cant be serious
by: Anonymous

Take a look at your own cats and think, do they have a great life? Dose my boy have a great life? No none of them do. I know who you are and I also know you have had it in for Lisa for a long long time, give it a rest, take the time to look at your own cattery and your friends catteries, are all these cats full of happiness, do they lead wonderful lives, NO.

No working cats is a truly happy cat, but as breeders we can only try and give them the best, i dont believe anyone breeders for money but when you are importing cats like Lisa you do need to sell at a higher price to help bring in the new lines and keep the Bengal breed in Austrlia up to date with the the U.S. or we fall behind and have ungly cats with patterns that are far behind the rest of the world.

You can buy a spotted Bengal for $600 - $1000 or a Bengal with beautiful rosettes and depth of
colour for $1000 plus - when you pay a higher price you are getting something really special that only comes with a higher price and this is because they are usually of show quality. Now I know what you are going to say, Lisa dosent breed show quality, well she dose, she has many awards for her cats and also for cats that she has sold, now dont tell me she has a finger in the pie at the cat shows and she only wins because of that, well you can stop there as we all know that is not true.

You must be so jealous of Lisa to keep this back stabbing bitchy partion going against her for all these years, or for that matter any one who is achiving better then you, you just dont like it do you, like I said get a life, mind your own cats, put your energy into the instead of cats over the other side of Australia.

Lisa is still doing well even after your nastyness, that says alot for her......
WELL DONE LISA KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, We ARE ALL SO PROUD OF YOU!!

These are some breeders who I would not recommend, Almaz Bengals, Runamok Bengals, I am happy to give details on request.

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Take a look at your own cats and think, do they have a great life? Dose my boy have a great life? No none of them do. I know who you are and I also know you have had it in for Lisa for a long long time, give it a rest, take the time to look at your own cattery and your friends catteries, are all these cats full of happiness, do they lead wonderful lives, NO. No working cats is a truly happy cat, but as breeders we can only try and give them the best, i dont believe anyone breeders for money but when you are importing cats like Lisa you do need to sell at a higher price to help bring in the new lines and keep the Bengal breed in Austrlia up to date with the the U.S. or we fall behind and have ungly cats with patterns that are far behind the rest of the world. You can buy a spotted Bengal for $600 - $1000 or a Bengal with beautiful rosettes and depth of colour for $1000 plus - when you pay a higher price you are getting something really special that only comes with a higher price and this is because they are usually of show quality. Now I know what you are going to say, Lisa dosent breed show quality, well she dose, she has many awards for her cats and also for cats that she has sold, now dont tell me she has a finger in the pie at the cat shows and she only wins because of that, well you can stop there as we all know that is not true. You must be so jealous of Lisa to keep this back stabbing bitchy partion going against her for all these years, or for that matter any one who is achiving better then you, you just dont like it do you, like I said get a life, mind your own cats, put your energy into the instead of cats over the other side of Australia. Lisa is still doing well even after your nastyness, that says alot for her...... WELL DONE LISA KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK, We ARE ALL SO PROUD OF YOU!! These are some breeders who I would not recommend, Almaz Bengals, Runamok Bengals, I am happy to give details on request.

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You cannot be serious! - continued..
by: Anonymous

And that's not to mention the prices she's sold her cats at, the numbers of which she has had. Back at her site it's listed 2,800 when the average breeding kitten price was 2,500; and then the average price still started at 2,500 to 3,000 for a breeding kitten (obviously; I'm not saying all were sold at these prices; there were exceptions either way across the board; I am saying average). Lisa's show/breeding kittens started at 4,000(!), even when her cats were not nessisarily better than any other breeders; let alone at ususally over a 1,000 less - same with her pet kittens; when most other people were charging 600-1000 (again, speaking averages here), Lisa's pet kittens started at 1000.

Now there are other breeders charging prices as such, too, but she always seems to be one of the ones the first up the prices over and over; until it almost seems the 'norm'. Again - and this is just off of her website - now; all of a sudden she 'only sells kittens surplus to her needs' and that she 'only breeds a few litters a year.'

What happened that changed her stance from a year ago to now; then? It's curious, all these changes. if potential buyers can look at her site; anyone can; and even just looking at the history of that; everything is all to clear.

I know of good number of people affected negatively by Mrs. Murchie. I find it incredibly hypocritical of her to have her details listed on a 'cat rescue' site. As to the person talking about the 'registered breeder' bit, there are guidelines that one 'must' adhere to from my understanding in reading through all the NSW site. But they do nothing to make anybody abide b

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